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Oh hi, guys! I'm going to talk a little about points this morning. They're cute. They're fun to trade and deviants like getting them! But, I've wanted to write up a journal about this for quite a while now. It's a reminder of what points actually are and for artists to not grossly undercharge for their work. There's lots of tips out there to help artists settle on a price that is fair to them as creators and to their buyers, but I understand it's entirely too easy to undersell yourself. It's difficult to find that balance between making an actual profit and scaring off any potential customers! This is coming from an artist that still struggles with it herself.

It's a tiny bit easier to come to a decision when thinking in terms of real dollars. Unfortunately, I've noticed that understanding is lost when art is sold for points here on dA. And when a creator totally GETS it and charges a fair price in points, they're often told they're overcharging. But, for the most part, both creators and potential customers are guilty of losing their grasp on the actual conversion to real money from points.

One point is not equal to one dollar. It's super easy to see the enormous numbers in points and think it converts to a large number in dollars. A skilled artist might charge 1000 points for a full-body Copic drawing of your favorite manga character, and that SEEMS like a lot! When converted to real money, that's only $12.50. That is far from a fair price for something that will take several hours and expensive materials to create. All too often, I see artists being attacked over prices this SMALL because customers are only seeing the thousands of points. All too often, I see artists undercharging because thousands of points seems like a huge profit.

There are 80 points to $1. You can play around with the conversion yourself by using the tool in your "earnings" page. www.deviantart.com/account/ear…

Please educate yourselves. Buyers, please be aware of how ridiculous you are being when you fuss over 'adoptables' priced at 30 points ($.38). Creators, please please please be aware of how little you are actually making when you offer fully rendered digital portraits for 100 points ($1.25). Points are adorable and fun, but don't get wrapped up in their numbers and forget their actual worth!

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HearseGurl Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Thank You For This. :)
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Aniusia483 Featured By Owner Edited Jun 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
"A skilled artist might charge 1000 points for a full-body Copic drawing of your favorite manga character, and that SEEMS like a lot! When converted to real money, that's only $12.50."
NO, if you pay this artist 1000p, this artist will earn 10$!

1000p pay 10$, not 12.50$ >> sta.sh/01t7tzcw2xzx

Why are you skipping the truth DA? It's lying via not saying.


If you are a customer, then yes, you actually need 12.50$ to buy a  1000p commission. BUT you're saying that the artist would earn 12.50$ which is rubbish(delicately speaking), the artist would earn 10$.

If you make an article to explain how much the artist earns, your predictor is 100p=>1$. If you want to explain why the artist charges 'that much', you should reveal how much the artist earns, not just how much the customer pays!!!

(You know that I lost a customer just because of your poor, confusing information?
They tried to ripp me off, thinking I try to ripp them off! Why? Because the commission was to earn me 3$ and the customer had just points, but insisted to give me just 240p, so 2.40$ and didn't believe me the truth that it's not the payment I must receive for a 3$ commision and gave up commissioning at all, because misbelieved 240p is enough to pay 3$.
Because of your misleading dollar to point calculations that consider only purchasing the points but ignores purchasing sth with the points - which is what we're interested in)
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Diren-chan Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
How much would 16.000 points be if you convert them to dollars?
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Aniusia483 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
160$
100p gives 1$, so the easiest way to count it is to cut the last two 0s.
In case of doubts you can check e.g. the commission widget. Mine is set to 10p so it should pay me 0.10$ (I have it just to link my commission info). To check another amount press '+' in your commission widget(just remember there is a maximum price limit:/), to the left you'll have the nr of points to set, to the right you get your actual earnings information.
The other way to convert I know about is to pay for a premium download, it's the same: 100p will pay 1$.
But because for one 1$ you can buy 80p, not 100p, It's rather a waste(of 20%!) to buy points for transactions, unless it's a premium membership, then you need e.g. 16000p or 200$, not 20000p or 200$. Seems it ignores this 20% loss just because things stay on DA and don't go to anyone else. But for any user, if one wanted to somehow get points converted and receive/give payment in $, 1$ is 100p, not 80p. Kind of complicated. Too much I believe, many people don't get the idea, and the staff doesn't like ot explain things well. And as I can see ith this journal, they skip the fact they take away 20%... "A skilled artist might charge 1000 points for a full-body Copic drawing of your favorite manga character, and that SEEMS like a lot! When converted to real money, that's only $12.50." NO, if you pay this artist 1000p, this artist will earn 10$! As I said, you can check e.g. in your commission widget. To save your time, I've already made a proof: sta.sh/01t7tzcw2xzx but you can check me if you wish.
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Diren-chan Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks for the answers.
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Aniusia483 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome. Actually, seems that the majority of DA users are confused about this all...
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MattsyKun Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is why I only do adopts through DA. Because everyone's like "ERMAHGURD 2 EXPENSIVE 4 ME" and I'm sitting here facepalming. :I
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AwsumZ Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2014
Just out of curiosity, why did points get made at such a random amount anyway? lol. Even 100 points to equal $1 would have made more sense, but why 80? So random, no wonder people get confused, to be fair.
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PlatinaSi Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've heard that 100 points actually do equal to $1, but when you buy them deviantART takes 20% of the money and consequently you're left with only 80 points D: that's the reason a lot of artists tend to use the 100 points = $1 conversion rate when doing points/paypal commissions- makes it easier for clients to do the math and at the same time the artist isn't losing any money XD
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AwsumZ Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014
100 points equal $1 if you use the commissions widget, yes, but if you're buying them or having them donated direct etc, then its 80 points to the dollar.
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